Legislature(2011 - 2012)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/23/2011 12:00 PM Senate RESOURCES


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12:06:48 PM Annual Mining Industry Briefing
01:03:17 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 23, 2011                                                                                        
                           12:05 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE RESOURCES                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Joe Paskvan, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
 Senator Thomas Wagoner, Co-Chair                                                                                               
 Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                          
 Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                           
 Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                          
 Senator Hollis French                                                                                                          
 Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Eric Feige, Co-Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Paul Seaton, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Peggy P. Wilson, Vice Chair                                                                                     
 Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                     
 Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz                                                                                            
 Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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 Representative Alan Dick                                                                                                       
 Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                      
 Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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ANNUAL MINING INDUSTRY BRIEFING                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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STEVE BORELL                                                                                                                    
Alaska Miners Association                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Briefed the  committee on large surface mines                                                             
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MIKE SATRE, Executive Director                                                                                                  
Council of Alaska Producers                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Briefed the  committee on  underground mines                                                             
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
STAN FOO, General Manager                                                                                                       
Donlin Creek Project                                                                                                            
POSITION  STATEMENT: Briefed  the committee  on the  Donlin Creek                                                             
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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12:05:47 PM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR JOE PASKVAN  called the joint meeting of  the Senate and                                                             
House  Resources  Standing  Committees  to order  at  12:05  a.m.                                                               
Present  at the  call  to order  were  Senators French,  Stedman,                                                               
Stevens, Co-Chair  Paskvan and Co-Chair  Wagoner; Representatives                                                               
P. Wilson, Co-chair Feige and Co-Chair Seaton.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                ^Annual Mining Industry Briefing                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN announced the annual Mining Industry Briefing.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:06:48 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATORS WIELECHOWSKI and MCGUIRE joined the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:07:32 PM                                                                                                                   
STEVE BORELL, Alaska Miners Association, said he would cover the                                                                
large surface mines.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He is  often asked why Alaska  has so little mining  today. Until                                                               
World  War  II mining  was  the  biggest  industry in  Alaska.  A                                                               
presidential order closed  mining during World War  II. After the                                                               
war some  placer mining  resumed, but it  was not  economic. Base                                                               
metal  mining had  excess capacity,  which held  down exploration                                                               
activity in  the state. From 1989  to the present there  has been                                                               
steady growth, and today there are six large mines in the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The Prudhoe  Bay oil  discovery led  to uncertainty  until Greens                                                               
Creek and Red Dog went  through the permitting process and proved                                                               
to the  world that mining could  work here and derailed  the idea                                                               
that Alaska is just one big park.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:10:38 PM                                                                                                                   
From a  placer mining standpoint, approximately  200 small placer                                                               
operators  produced about  57,000 ounces  last year.  They expect                                                               
that 2011  will be similar  or slightly higher, because  of metal                                                               
prices.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:10:51 PM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVES MUÑOZ and FOSTER joined the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Usibelli Coal Mine pictures show  the strip mining technique; the                                                               
strip  moves  as  mining  and  reclamation goes  on.  This  is  a                                                               
continuous process.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER wanted to talk about RS2477 problems.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORELL  continued  by  saying  that  Usibelli  is  a  fourth                                                               
generation family owned mine, with  68 years of operation and 130                                                               
employees. Last year  they shipped two million tons,  which was a                                                               
new record.  About half of that  was domestic and the  other half                                                               
was exported.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The  Red Dog  Mine went  through a  two-year project  to get  the                                                               
necessary permits; the final permit was received in May of 2010.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI joined the committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORELL  said that  Red Dog has  550 full-time  employees plus                                                               
contractors.  Fifty-six   percent  of  the  employees   are  NANA                                                               
shareholders. As an  example of permitting for a  large mine, Red                                                               
Dog has  65 permits,  31 separate bodies  of regulation  apply to                                                               
the project,  13 different  agreements are  in place,  and nearly                                                               
6,000 compliance requirements have to  be met. Before mining ever                                                               
took place, there was naturally occurring acid rock drainage.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:16:41 PM                                                                                                                   
Regarding Fort Knox tailings, a new  heap leach of low grade ores                                                               
is being  brought in; a  dilute cyanide solution is  dripped over                                                               
it and the solutions are pumped  to the mill and processed to get                                                               
the gold  out of  solution. Eventually the  ore is  stacked. This                                                               
material would  otherwise be  waste material.  Fort Knox  has 500                                                               
full-time employees. They recently  passed a major milestone with                                                               
four years  without a lost  time accident, and four  million man-                                                               
hours without an accident.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:19:06 PM                                                                                                                   
MIKE  SATRE, Executive  Director,  Council  of Alaska  Producers,                                                               
said  he would  review underground  mines in  Alaska. The  mining                                                               
cycle   for  underground   mines   is   highly  mechanized,   and                                                               
potentially   hazardous.  Safety   is   always  foremost.   After                                                               
decisions are made by the  geologists on where to drill, drillers                                                               
come  in and  drill  holes for  explosives.  Before drilling  the                                                               
face, they must secure the  ground with rock bolters and supports                                                               
for miners. Underground rock is then removed.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Most underground  mines in  Alaska are a  combination of  cut and                                                               
fill technique and  long hole. A vertical section  through an ore                                                               
body is mined  in 60 ft. increments. They fill  the void and then                                                               
continue mining on  top, going through the cycle  again and again                                                               
to maximize extraction of the ore body.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:22:39 PM                                                                                                                   
He  said  that long-hole  mining  uses  both  an overcut  and  an                                                               
undercut; they  drill vertical holes  between and then  blast out                                                               
anywhere from  ten to 30,000 tons  at a time. Once  blasted there                                                               
is no  way to secure  the ground, so  they operate a  "mucker" by                                                               
remote control  to keep them safe.  This is an example  of mining                                                               
without exposing workers to harm.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:24:09 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. SATRE  reported that the Hecla  Greens Creeks Mine is  a high                                                               
grade poly metallic ore body,  containing world class deposits of                                                               
silver,  zinc,  lead  and  gold.   Greens  Creek  produces  three                                                               
different  concentrates. Zinc,  lead  and  gold concentrates  are                                                               
shipped around the world. It has  been in production for 20 years                                                               
and has another 10 years to go.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The economic impact  of Greens Creek is 340  employees; 530 total                                                               
direct and indirect jobs; the  largest private sector employer in                                                               
Juneau;  in 2010  $2 million  in pay  and benefits;  $111 million                                                               
operating,  capital  and exploration  costs.  It  is the  largest                                                               
property tax  payer in the City  and Borough of Juneau.  For 2010                                                               
Greens Creek's  Alaska mining license  tax will bring  $9 million                                                               
into  state coffers.  They  are currently  in  the NEPA  process,                                                               
trying to  add 30-50 years  of tailings storage capacity  so that                                                               
they can develop  additional ore bodies. They have  a proposal to                                                               
expand the  site by  200 acres. Construction  will start  in 2012                                                               
pending favorable permitting.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:27:46 PM                                                                                                                   
Turning north  to the Pogo Mine,  Mr. Satre said, is  the largest                                                               
gold producer  in Alaska  with over 300  employees and  100 full-                                                               
time contractors. Sumitomo Metal Mining  is the operator. It uses                                                               
a complex milling  process, with a conveyor belt  taking ore from                                                               
the mine to the mill facility.  The majority of waste material is                                                               
pumped  underground.  They have  a  strong  focus on  safety  and                                                               
environmental protection.  Reserves will take them  through 2017,                                                               
and they are actively exploring for more ore.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:30:18 PM                                                                                                                   
Kensington Gold  Mine, a real  success story,  started operations                                                               
in July 2010. Average production  is about 125,000 ounces of gold                                                               
per  year. It  has ongoing  exploration to  extend mine  life. In                                                               
terms  of  community  impacts,   there  are  200  employees;  170                                                               
indirect  jobs, and  $25 million  in direct  and indirect  annual                                                               
payroll, making  it the second  largest Juneau employer  in terms                                                               
of payroll.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:32:06 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. BORELL discussed  the Nixon Fork Mine that  is currently idle                                                               
but expects to go back into  production this summer. They have 40                                                               
jobs  now and  expect 100  by the  end of  2011. It  has no  road                                                               
access.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said the Rock Creek Mine  was just getting started at the time                                                               
of  the  economic  crash;  they  couldn't get  a  loan,  so  they                                                               
maintained permits  by keeping people  on site. They  didn't want                                                               
to use  up their $10 million.  They have now decided  to focus on                                                               
other two primary projects, including Donlin Creek.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Projects in  advanced exploration and permitting  include Chuitna                                                               
Coal, a 12 million metric ton  per year surface mine. It will use                                                               
an elevated conveyor  to have minimal effects  on wetlands areas.                                                               
They expect have a draft supplemental EIS by the end of 2011.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:35:53 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. BORELL  reported that Donlin  Creek is now in  design status.                                                               
They are  evaluating alternatives  for energy  at the  site. They                                                               
are considering  a 12-inch natural  gas pipeline to  bring energy                                                               
to the site,  and hope to begin project permitting  in 2011. They                                                               
expect  to  have  600-1000  production  jobs  once  the  mine  is                                                               
operating.  This  area  is  incredibly  depressed  with  all  the                                                               
attendant problems that go with having no jobs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:37:54 PM                                                                                                                   
He  went on  to  brief  the committee  on  Pebble  Mine that  has                                                               
invested   over  $400   M  through   2010,  and   continues  with                                                               
exploration and infill drilling, as  well as mine design and pre-                                                               
feasibility  study.   They  expect  to  have 800-1000  production                                                               
jobs.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:38:47 PM                                                                                                                   
Pebble  Environmental Baseline  Studies are  added to  each year.                                                               
Each one will  be a chapter with multiple notebooks  of data, the                                                               
most thorough studies done on any project in Alaska.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Major Exploration  projects include  the Livengood  Gold Project;                                                               
at one point  seven companies were looking and now  it's found. A                                                               
highway is there  and goes right past the project.  They have 100                                                               
people  onsite. The  resources have  increased and  as additional                                                               
data give added confidence in results you can move resources.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  said  the Niblack  Project  (Ketchikan)  is a  joint  venture                                                               
between Niblack and  Heatherdale Resources (which used  to be CBR                                                               
gold).  They  have done  over  100,000  feet  of drilling  at  an                                                               
estimated  cost  of  $6  million.  $10  million  more  will  earn                                                               
Heatherdale a 60 percent interest.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:43:48 PM                                                                                                                   
Arctic   Projects  include   Nova  Gold;   the  legislature   has                                                               
appropriated funding for the Ambler  Access study, to investigate                                                               
the possibility  of a  road into  the area.  This would  make the                                                               
project economic.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:44:47 PM                                                                                                                   
The Palmer Project at Haines  was discovered by Merrill Palmer in                                                               
1969. He staked  claims all the way across the  mountain over the                                                               
years. Seven major  companies have been exploring  over time. The                                                               
current company,  Constantine, may  have found a  minable project                                                               
there. It is  in the middle of  an ice field, and  is accessed by                                                               
helicopter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:47:47 PM                                                                                                                   
MR.  BORELL said  he would  address  Co-chair Wagoner's  question                                                               
regarding RS2477  access. It  is based  on Revised  Statute 2477,                                                               
which gave the  state grants of access routes; if  the state used                                                               
a route  for commercial purposes,  it became state  property. The                                                               
road  to  Kensington  was  an   RS2477.  Several  years  ago  the                                                               
legislature passed  an act  saying that the  state of  Alaska was                                                               
asserting  its rights  to 600  RS2477s  rights-of-way. None  have                                                               
been adjudicated.  If you want to  use one of those,  you (either                                                               
the  state or  an individual)  have to  file a  suit against  the                                                               
federal  government  for a  quiet  title  action. The  state  has                                                               
worked   diligently   at    putting   together   the   supporting                                                               
documentation. It is an expensive process.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
This is especially  important right now because  the Secretary of                                                               
Interior has  created a  new category  called "wild  lands." This                                                               
goes against the Alaska National  Interest Lands Conservation Act                                                               
(ANILCA).   The   state   needs  to   pursue   RS2477s.   Without                                                               
adjudication, they  are still state property,  but probably can't                                                               
be used.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  said Donlin  Creek is  an amazing  pipeline, and                                                               
asked if it would be closer to go by water.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:51:46 PM                                                                                                                   
STAN FOO, General  Manager, Donlin Creek Project,  said they have                                                               
looked at various  routes. The area has a  short shipping season.                                                               
They see  potential areas  in Cook Inlet,  which is  a year-round                                                               
port.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS said  the project  is  remarkably energetic.  He                                                               
asked if it would open up energy for villages in the area.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOO  answered they  are  reluctant  to  be the  provider  of                                                               
natural gas  to the region, but  they do have to  allow for extra                                                               
capacity and they are open to  that. It would have to be separate                                                               
from their project.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked about the size of the proposed pipeline.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOO said  it would be a 12-inch diameter  pipeline, about 300                                                               
miles long.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN asked about the projected start date.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOO  answered they  will complete  the feasibility  update in                                                               
the third  quarter of  this year. This  will give  them technical                                                               
justification for going  forward with the pipeline.  They hope to                                                               
start the permitting  process this year, and expect  that to take                                                               
three - four years. Once they  have the permits, there would be a                                                               
tree to four years construction timeline as well.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:55:16 PM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE MUÑOZ asked  them to speak to  rare earth material                                                               
on Prince of Wales Island in terms of international agreements.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORELL said  they sent a letter to the  finance committees of                                                               
both bodies.  The state  has eight  general areas  with prospects                                                               
for rare  earths: Vocan  Mountain, south  west of  Ketchikan, had                                                               
been mined historically  and a company is  exploring there again.                                                               
There  is half  a million  in  the governor's  budget to  compile                                                               
existing data.  In the past,  companies weren't looking  for rare                                                               
earth. It is incidental in their reports.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Alaskan rocks are  very poorly explored. In many  cases you can't                                                               
even see the rocks most of  the year, if ever. Modern geophysical                                                               
analysis techniques  allow companies  to explore where  it wasn't                                                               
possible before.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MCGUIRE  noted  the  demand from  China  and  India  for                                                               
thermal coal is  increasing, and asked if  the mining association                                                               
is  doing  to promote  Alaska's  coal.  It  seems  to be  a  good                                                               
opportunity for Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORELL said  the immediate need is to see  Chuitna Coal going                                                               
forward. Usibelli is also looking  at the Wishbone Hill property.                                                               
Coal usage is under attack, and  the industry must get past that.                                                               
Companies  can create  new salmon  spawning areas  ahead of  time                                                               
before an  area is ever  impacted. Alaska's coal is  good quality                                                               
and wanted around the world.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:02:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MCGUIRE  followed up asking  white paper  for legislative                                                               
offices to give  to people looking at  economic development. They                                                               
need  to know  how  other countries  can get  in  touch with  the                                                               
mining industry in Alaska.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:03:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN thanked  the Council  of  Producers and  Alaska                                                               
Mining Association and adjourned the meeting at 1:03 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

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